Sunday, November 10, 2013

Full On Luon: Marvelous or Meh?



Fabric Content for Full On Luon Wunder Under Pants

Fabric Content for Full On Luon Skinny Groove Pant
I think quite a few of you have tried some Full On Luon pants by now. I made it a point to try the Wunder Under Crops, Pants, and Skinny Groove Pants in the Full On Luon fabric last week. I tried on the WUP over the summer when the fabric first came out and I really liked it. I thought the compression and opacity was very nice.  However, when I tried on the Skinny Grooves last week I really disliked the fabric. Though it was compressive, I thought it had a bit of a sheen and didn't have very good coverage or opacity in a bend. I went back to another store the next day to try on the Full On Luon Wunder Under pants to compare to Skinny Grooves and once again, really liked the WUP. I couldn't figure out what was different until I took a look at the content tags and it seems there are different "flavors" of Full On Luon. This could explain why some people are liking the fabric in one style of pant and others are not. This kind of blows because I've been cherry picking black pants by look and feel for the past three years now and it looks like that won't end. I think overall I like the feel of my older black luon pants. I know the new fabric is more compressive but if I want compressive technical pants then I am going to buy luxtreme (the Luxtreme Wunder Under crops are just fantastic) because I find it cooler and I don't have to worry about pet hair clinging to it. The eds at my store told me people have been sizing up in the Full On Luon items. I know I've read comments from people who have tried that but found the bottoms loose in the crotch. I think overall people are finding Full On Luon more sheer than opaque. Since the fabric is more compressive I think lululemon might need to adjust the fit of their bottoms or, alternatively, they could try and dig up the recipe for luon from about four years ago.

Black is blah - some recent pant purchases. The black are Luxtreme Wunder Under crops.

On a related note, I think a lot of people are moving on from black luon bottoms. Prints are popular these days and lots of people prefer luxtreme because you don't have to worry lint rolling your pants before you leave the house.

What about you, did you try Full On Luon? Have you moved on from black luon?



54 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree completely LLA! Was soooo disappointed in the skinny grooves- sheer and fit oddly- a little baggy in strange areas. I have been wanting a pair of black pants for over a yr. now! I liked the full on Wu as well but too hot for me for working out. Pls lulu bring back your old quality luon for crying out loud!!

Lulumum said...

I actually haven't tried full on luon pants, nor have I purchased black luon bottoms in the last 2.5 years with the exception of herringbone which are thick and opaque, and my one pair of static winder under crops and In The Flow Crops. Luon, the material lululemon bottoms were known for, has not been represented in my closet for quite some time.

Anonymous said...

I tried on skinny grooves the other day in my regular size 6 and sized up to an 8. The material was scratchy. You could see the tag in a bend test and the fabric had a sheen in both sizes. I was disappointed because I love my grooves (circa 2007) and skinny wills from last year and was super excited for a hybrid of the two. Needless to say I left them in the store.

LuluAddict said...

I also think once you get a few pairs of black pants, you don't really need more and can't start branching out into other materials and colors.

Anonymous said...

I bought the full on WUPs in August and love those pants.. We're not sheer at all and nice and compressive without any sheen. Haven't tried the new batch because like you said, only need a few pairs of black, and with my cream colored dog, they are a pain to lint roll.

Anonymous said...

I have a few pairs of grooves for a few years now and just a few weeks ago I decided to try on a pair of full on luon WUP. I got my regular size 6 and when I turned myself around to inspect my bum I was surprised to see my underwear in a grayish/purple color. It's total rubbish. It's worse than recalled luon.

Jen said...

I tried on the skinny grooves this weekend in a 6 (I'm typically between a 6-8), and I loved them. Great compression and not sheer (as I could tell) - but I would like to compare them to other FOluon and I didn't have the oppty (was in a showroom), so I didn't buy.

Agree with you though - there are only so many black pants you can have. This is my issue as I don't like to buy the bright colors (just don't look flattering on me). I love the pique WUPs I picked up last month and would love to see more pique.

Anonymous said...

I did try on and buy the skinny grooves. I think I am not in the majority when I say I really liked them. The fit on me was great and I had to size down from my normal 8 to 6. I am very careful about sheerness, etc... But they were good. The odd thing is that while I have read in different blogs that people have been sizing up--- the GE in my store told me right off the bat to size down.
I will say I think all the materials have changed. For example, for working out, I am almost exclusively a run inspire girl. However, my inkwell ones from last winter are a different material to me than the solid black ones I bought recently. I wish Lululemon would realize when they have a good thing to go with it instead of always changing it! Still, I am a loyal Lulu fan, and unfortunate for my wallet, I won't be deterred.

Emmy said...

I don't know if it's just the fabric content that makes the full on luon not feel as great as the original luon from a few yrs ago. I think it's like comparing sheets that are both 100% cotton fabric but one is 500 thread count and the other is 200 thread count. Hard to tell from the fabric content exactly what has changed but you can definitely feel a difference and see one in terms of opacity...

Anonymous said...

I purchased the black quilted skinny grooves and I love them. Thats funny you mention a sheen because mine are matte and completely opaque, even in a deep fold. And I didn't size up. I hate how inconsistent lulu seems to be with their product because reviews for the new full on are all over the place!
Only time will tell on how they wash and hold up. Fingers crossed.
I haven't purchased any solid black luon pants in probably 3 years so I don't have anything to compare them to from recent batches of Luon, but I am really pleasd with these.

Anonymous said...

Anyone tried on the full-on WU Crops? Keen to hear how that compares. I have two pairs of the full-on WU Pants and at least they are opaque for me in my TTS. However I did notice the material isn't the softest, has a slight sheen to it, and somehow the gusset also gives me a bit of camel toe. Definitely a bit disappointing. I bought my first ever non-black LLL luon bottoms in the form of the pique WU pants, and I must say they are incredibly soft, warm and stretchy.

Anonymous said...

I recently picked up the brushed luon grooves, and I really like them. The luon is a bit thicker than their latest efforts, and it makes the grooves fit a bit more flattering on me...doesn't show every little bump and flaw. But other than that, it's been ages since I have purchased a Lulu pant, black or otherwise. There are just too many other cheaper, better quality alternatives on the market right now.

Anonymous said...

LLA I got a question. Are the Deep Zinfandel WUP you just bought up there the same ones shown on the November Instagram lulu video at the very end? I keep looking at the print and it looks similar but not quite the same. The ones on the video look more Camo like. Any idea? Thanks

Anonymous said...

I like the wunder under luxtreme crops but I notice that the waist band folds over sometimes and the very bottom also folds over sometimes... Usually during barre class when I'm moving around. This doesnt happen at all in my regular wunder under crops.. Has anyone else had the same problem? I bought a pair of brushed wunder under pants today.. They were nice and cozy but the fit seemed a little different.

Anonymous said...

Glad to read the report. Just got the skinny groves and thought I was cray. They are thinner, smaller. I need to return and size up. I compared them to older will pants and decided not to buy the groves. The older wills are far better.

Anonymous said...

I tried on the skinny grooves and thought they were not as opaque as they could be. I was ok passing on them because I wasn't crazy about how the bottom looked with sneakers like many others have commented on. I also tend to stick with crops all winter long because I find it too hot to work out in a long pant( I throw on a pair of studio pants over them for to and from when it's really cold).

I also have the luxtreme WUC and agree that they are super opaque and cooler than my luon WUC. I find that the luxtreme ones tend to ride down though and I have to pull them up. I also have a pair of ignite crops (also power luxtreme) from earlier this summer and they are amazing but are much shorter - more like a knee length crop. My original WUC in luon could be replaced because they are faded but I wore them this weekend and they still look pretty darn good! They are about 2 years old and were my very first lulu purchase.

OT - I have the inkwell inspires from the recent release with the pow stripe on the waistband and have now washed them at least twice. The first time I noticed loose threads where the waist is attached to the legs and now yesterday I noticed that the seam is actually coming undone. I'm going to take them into my store today to see if they can stitch them back together. The very first pair of black run inspires I bought were also falling apart at the seams and they restitched them for me so hopefully they'll do the same for these. I'm bummed though because they are one of my new favorite pairs of crops to work out in aside from the recent wee are from space black inspires.

Anonymous said...

I bought the Can't Stop Pant and love them!!! They are compressive but very thick. You don't have to worry about them being sheer. At first I really noticed how compressive they were when I tried them on, but after wearing them for 5 minutes you don't notice it and they are very comfortable. I bought a couple pairs because it's hard to find good pants and the dog fur doesn't stick!

Jax+Puzzle said...

I also don't love Luon. I have dogs and it's easily covered in hair, and it's not compressive, and it's sheer on me almost every time, even though I'm slender and in the correct size (I'm actually between sizes and the eds at the store a couple of hours from me tell me to go smaller. I sized down in the seamless In the Flow crop, and it fits great and offers good compression but is sheer when in a deep bend).

I don't have black Luon, mostly because I prefer color or pattern, though I do have the Bordeaux drama, which I would never part with (despite it being a dog hair magnet and not super soft or compressive) as well as some herringbone and piqué fabrics. My two piqué pants from last year are too large and I haven't been able to replace them because good quality bottoms are so unusual to find. I purchased the piqué WUP this year and I find them excellent, but the color/pattern isn't the same as my other piqué, so I'm still on the lookout for at least another pair (also, piqué and herringbone fabrics are warm! only appropriate for the cooler months).

I love Luxtreme for working out - the fabric is more compressive and cooler and to me, softer and more comfortable. The biggest problem I have with Luxtreme is there tends to be a lot of seaming, and I find seams on the Inspire crop and even the Speed tights I recently purchased to be a little itchy. I'm probably the only person that experiences this. I purchased the Luxtreme WUP for yoga and I really love them. The only problem with Luxtreme vs Luon for me is, the Luxtreme cannot be worn as work wear. The other day I wore the Ivivva herringbone version of WUP (rhythmic tight) under a dress with boots and a crb and it was cute and work appropriate, and I was ready for yoga immediately afterward. If I'm wearing Luxtreme, I have to bring a bag of clothing, and change before gym, and I don't want to lug extra things around, especially because I frequently use my bicycle as transportation and do a lot of walking.

Hopefully Lululemon will get all of this sorted soon. It has obviously affected how things operate, many items that once sold out overnight or in a couple of days are still available weeks (or months!) later. I can't imagine the decline in quality isn't hurting them. They need to go back to their roots, enhance fabric quality and design, and bring manufacturing back to areas where quality can be better controlled.

Anonymous said...

I agree I haven't purchased any black Luon pants for at least two years. I much prefer the prints so much more fun. I have purchased some black Luxtreme crops over the summer as I started spinning and running. Even now I'm staying away from the black in Luxtreme and going for colors and the WAFS prints. Having two cats black Luon is a fur magnet and therefore I prefer the pique and herringbone to wear casually.

Anonymous said...

I tired on the inkwell skinny grooves. I loved them until I bent over. Totally sheer. Why even say they were made with full on luon? I agree - how many black workout pants do I need anyway. I have 2 old pairs of grooves that still look new so I am set.

Anonymous said...

Funny, I tried on the WUs over the summer in full-on and found them to definitely be sheer. The waistband fit oddly, too low for my taste, and the crotch seams were really snug, but the fabric felt almost baggy. I've only tried the skinny grooves so far, but I'm sold. They're opaque on me, really soft and comfy, and fit perfectly in my normal size.

Anonymous said...

Lululemon does not own (or has ever owned) the fabric "recipe" for luon. They can trademark (not patent) the fabric luon because they don't manufacture it. That's why it is different from product to product and why it has changed over the years.

From their financial statements filed with the SEC: "We do not own or operate any manufacturing facilities. The fabric used in our products is sourced by our manufacturers from a limited number of pre-approved suppliers. We work with a group of approximately 50 manufacturers, five of which produced approximately 60% of our products in fiscal 2012. During fiscal 2012, no single manufacturer produced more than 26% of our product offering."

Anonymous said...

I bought the brushed grooves last week and will keep them. They are fuzzy on the inside, maybe that helps with the sheerness. Living in Idaho I loved the extra softness and warmth. Only other plain black bottoms I have purchased this year are the WUC luxtreme, I also love those. I hadn't realized it until this post, you are right.

Anonymous said...

am i the only one that loves the skinny grooves? the only problem for me is that i'm 5'3" and have quite a bit of fabric bunched up on the bottom. requires hemming :(

Anonymous said...

Just something on the full-on skinny grooves, I really liked them and bought a pair. I think the skinniness of the sold me since I am not a big fan of the flare. The full on does feel more compressive but there isn't a sheen to the ones I bought. They are more compressive than my regular wunder unders so that was a big plus for me, sucks me in in all the right places ;)

Anonymous said...

I really don't understand this, shouldn't all this tweaking be done during product development before it goes into production? Can they really not tell which material is going to make a good pair of pants on the prototype before sending it out to 'experiment' on the customers with? This does help explain the different experiences people are having with the full on Luon. The ones I tried on were WUP and the full on Luon was SO rough and stiff, not soft at all, I couldn't imagine paying that much for something so uncomfortable. Now I wish I had looked at the material content!

Tina @ Best Body Fitness said...

Thanks for the try on report. I really like luxtreme, too, and it's interesting to hear that luon still doesn't stand up to it for compression, opaqueness, and fabric. I DO wish there would be more colors or prints in the luxtreme. I'm with you that I want more than just black pants!

Anonymous said...

I tried on the full on luon skinny grooves and was so disappointed! When I bent over they were sheer! I was reading the comments on Lululemons FB page in response to Chips supposed apology and it annoyed me so much that some women were saying that if your pants are sheer then you are wearing the wrong size. No! My test for sheerness is a full bend over and also trying a full squat since I do dead lifts and squats in many of my workouts. I'm not just standing there face on and checking for the sheerness. If I size up then the pants are baggy in certain areas. So no, it's not an issue with me wearing the wrong size! Unfortunately for me I didn't start shopping at Lululemon until 2012 so I do not have a pair of their fabulous old school yoga pants. I have recently started trying out Athleta's pants and have had a great experience so far with no sheerness and no pilling. I guess I will continue to shop there for my workout pants. I'm looking forward to checking out their Straight Up pants.

LuluAddict said...

@ anon 8:31 pm - I think there are quite a few people really liking the Skinny Groove. I know they look great on most of the photos I have posted but I didn't like them on me. I just don't have the right legs for them but if you do, they are very cute.

As for Inspires, luxtreme fabric seems very variable depending on the color and batch you get so you have to try every pair on. The recent Black WAFS (wee space) ones I bought were great. The luxtreme in the Green Bean Can't Stop crop are also great - thick and compressive. The luxtreme fabric in the Wunder Under crops I bought this summer is just fantastic - thick and opaque, maybe a bit stiffer than the first pair of luxtreme crops I ever bought but still they are super nice.

@ Emmy - you are right. I think the weave/knit is a factor, too, but the content tag is all the "proof" I really have to point to that there is a difference and it wasn't my imagination.

@ anon 9:32 pm- I tried the full on luon crops, too, with the guava/raspberry quilt waistband. I thought they were decently opaque.

@ anon 9:45 pm - The brushed Grooves and Wunder Under pant are really nice. I tried them on a couple of weeks ago - they were thick and opaque.

@ anon 10:14 pm - I believe the pants shown at the end of the video are the same pants as shown in the banner for the Yoga Mats section of the website. It has giant roses on it and looks super pretty.

@ anon 4:06 am - I've had loose stitching repaired at my stores several times. They should fix it for you. Some stores have stopped offering this service, which is a shame, but mine still do it.

Anonymous said...

@7:08am -Thanks for sharing that. I didn't know that info and it is very interesting. I may sound stupid but I honestly had no idea that LLL doesn't have the "recipe"... so all the critics are right when they say the group of fabrics used from company to company are the same, because it only matters what manufacturers the companies pick. So if LLL and Athleta use the same manufacturer, the fabric of a "black luon" type pant would be the same (but I guess the cuts would vary).

Anonymous said...

7:34 read 7:08 comment that should answer your question.
I bought a pair of WUC a few years back that had the diamond gusset, they were black and the fabric content was 87% nylon and I think 13% lycra; they were the really soft and opaque ones, I still have them but they are pilling like crazy.
I prefer luxtreme, but I am too paranoid to do yoga in my run crops. I know the inspires new and old are see through if you bend a lot.

M

Anonymous said...

I tried both the Full On Skinny Grooves and Astro pants and both were just as sheer as the recalled stuff earlier this year.

The only pants I have found NOT to be sheer this year are the Give Me Qi pants, the Herringbone WU pants, and the Luxtreme WUs (which I found to require going a size up). I believe the bum of the Give Me Qi pants is Power Luxtreme...I'd be willing to try more pants made of that material in the bum, but otherwise I'm pretty much giving up on Luon.

Anonymous said...

I like them too... 5'6 115 size 4
Not sheer, no sheen

Anonymous said...

I have a pair of FO luon WUC sitting in my closet... can't decide if I am keeping them or not. I am dying to replace my old black WUC but so far none of the pants in the last year have measured up even close. It sucks because I wear those pants ALL THE TIME & feel better in them than any other pants I own. LLL could be making so much more $ if they got their shit together. The lux WUC/WUP are interesting to me, but as people have already said, they can't be worn as "real" clothes, so I would really hesitate to buy them. These are expensive clothes & for me I need to be sure that I will use them enough to justify buying them. My black WUC have been worn so much that they were worth every penny. I also managed to get a pair of opaque & compressive black WUP a few months back. I actually ordered the FO luon but they just sent me regular ones. I decided to keep them anyway & I have been happy with them... but it was really hard to find a good pair. I tried on many at the store & returned a couple pairs I ordered online prior to the pair I have. I would like to purchase some prints but I tried on the pique WUP & did not find them flattering, although they were super comfy. I have a pair of gray from Ivivva that are extremely soft & flattering...would love some more neutral options that aren't black & don't look like grandma's couch (ziggy wee & herringbone).

Anonymous said...

This got me curious to the fabric content of the fol sw that I got last week and are returning. They are obscenely sheer. The fabric content is 87% nylon and 13% lycra spandex

Anonymous said...

I tried the FO WU crops and loved them. I definitely want to buy a pair but am trying to watch my budget this month. I am hoping they will stick around a little while. They were not see through at all and I was wearing my regular size. I did not size up.

LuluAddict said...

@ anon 10:00 am - Yeah, I liked the FO WU Crops and Pants a lot, too. I already have 3 pairs of black WUCs and tons of black pants so don't need anymore, though. That is a big reason I am branching into prints.

Ljg680 said...

I got the skinny grooves this weekend in my normal size 4. They were a little sheer when I bent over but not the worse I've seen. I tried sizing up but gross.... Extra material and the crotch was droopy :/. I haven't tried the WUP in full luon but I'm over WUP and really am not interested in them anymore. I haven't tried the luxtreme WU. Maybe a crop in that would be good for running?

Anonymous said...

hey everyone, would you say the current WUC in regular black luon is or is not opaque?

also heard rumors that a surge/inkwell reversible WUC will be releasing. any thoughts on what opacity will be like on this one?

tried on inkwell skinny grooves and in the flow deep zinfandel crops instore, and both are a bit sheer

Anonymous said...

yogasmoga has a studio in manhattan I think I will go and take a look and see if there is naything to report.

M

Ljg680 said...

These are one of my favorite pants too! True to size and they are actually compressive! I like the inspires but they are not compressive because I have to size up due to sheerness! They loose the whole purpose of being compressive crops for running :(. I have no issues with these! I was actually pretty impressed with opacity. I know it's possible not to make sheer running pants, I have a ton of brooks, asics and mizuno stuff that doesn't give me any issues , plus they don't pill or snag... Lulu just happens to be cuter...

Ljg680 said...

Yea I saw that too! We are adult women and know what fits and doesn't fit. Some might try to wear a size to small but that's not often the case at all. Don't blame my rubbing thighs on your product failures... I own TONS of pants, the only pilling ones happen to be lulu :[

Anonimouse said...

I just got my FO SG on Friday, I bought the Inkwell version and love them. I even got on my bathroom counter top and stuck my butt up to the makeup lights to see if there was any sheerness. Something I totally don't want as I was using them to teach Acro in the next day.

I'm, 5'3, so I roll the hems and 115lbs, I have a size 6, I probably could size down, but I prefer them to not be sheer. These aren't compression pants, if they are compressive then they're going to be stretching out, sometimes a lot.

LuluAddict said...

@Ljg680 - what kills me is that the underarms of jackets pill, too, and it doesn't matter how skinny your arms are. Chip could have mentioned that, but I guess he didn't want to bring up the fact that jackets pill sometimes, too.

Ljg680 said...

Haha! So true. He would then attack our running technique as the culprit... :[

Ugh worst part is today at lunch, 2 other women were talking about lulu, pricing and clothing options. They don't really shop there but went into the store over the weekend. They didn't understand the hype and weren't impressed by anything. Cost is high and they commented that everything looks like it might snag. They also had other complaints... I could only agree as they made valid points. They also brought up chips recent comments. Ugh, then I look like a lunatic for continuously shopping there. I did explain the weekly uploads and limited quantities that lead to impulse shopping. At least they understood that dilemma. But they also still work out in tshirts and sweatpants. You have no idea what you are missing until you run in lined shorts for the first time! Best invention ever. But you can still get cheaper athletic wear elsewhere and accomplish the same thing. I bought tons of athletic wear before at other places so my athletic wear addiction isn't new, it just got more expensive with the addition of bad press recently :[

Lana said...

My closet contains 5 pairs of Recognition Pants from about a year and a half or so ago, 2 pairs of brushed WU's from the same time period, and a few pair of Ebb crops that are in heavy rotation. Oh, and two pair of pique/herringbone WU's I wear with boots to the office.

Unless they return with a thick pair of awesome pants that make my butt look amazing without showing the world my crack I won't be in the market for more. The new iterations of luon all have a weird sheen & feel that doesn't make we want to drop $98.

Anonymous said...

Just don't understand why LuLu can't be consistent in quality of their products or get their web site to work properly. Unless you are using a PC, it's not fictional .I was excited at first to see you cld search by size until I tried it & found out it was 99% inaccurate. I have never shopped for a product that has such bad quality control & web sites.

Wish Lulu wld listen to what their loyal customers are saying.

Anonymous said...

LLA - Thank you SO much for Responding about the pattern on the Deep Zinfandel Baroque WUP! I was about to buy the wrong one!!! I'm anon @ 10:14pm

Your blog rocks, and so do YOU :)

Anonymous said...

it's so strange that the experience is so different for so many. i got the FO-Luon skinny grooves in black and inkwell - i loved the fit and feel of them and found them TTS, i'm 5'6" 122lbs and i got a size 4. i also got a pr of brushed WUP and love them as well.

Anonymous said...

I tried the full-on luon Skinny Groove Pants this weekend, and, I hate to say this but it was thin and sheer. The edge of my undie poked out of the pants. It's not much thicker than the previous material, at least I didn't feel much difference.

brittd said...

I've tried on the skinny groves in store this week and definitely not the same luon used in my old grooves (to be expected). They were really sheer for me in my TTS. I also tried on the WUP in full on luon and I'm frankly not sure why everyone is raving about them. They're still sheer in my TTS… granted that I always wear bright neon coloured underwear to the store for try-ons. I want to know I'm covered in all situations. I then tried on the luxtreme WUP that I've been looking for in the store forever. They finally got them in and I was skeptical because my run for fun crops in black (which i love) are sheer when you bend over and those are made in luxtreme. I tried on the luxtreme WUP and LOOOOOVE THEM. I bought them with the 92.00 price tag and no hesitation. I'm actually wearing them right now. They're compressive, TTS and NOT SHEER AT ALL. ZERO SHEERNESS. I couldn't be happier with these things. I'm buying the crops as soon as my store gets them. My new favourites.

Anonymous said...

I have the full on WUP and absolutely love them. I taint have a bad thing to say about them. I stayed TTS.

Personally, I love black luon. I find them more comfortable for "everyday" wear as opposed to luxtreme. I prefer luxtreme for workouts. I'm not really big on prints for bottoms, I'd rather get a printed top. I love the versatility of black and how it's easier to take it from gym to street.

I don't mind lint rolling, I have a German shepherd and a cat so no matter what I wear, it's getting rolled.

Anonymous said...

When I say past 2-3 years, we all know that can exclude any luon from the last year and half. Items below were purchased before the luon started to go awry.

My black Groove Pants from the last couple of years (so at least 2 years ago) are 87% nylon and 13% lycra spandex. They came with the old red hang tags, so were part of the "older" luon. That pair is Made in China. Not sheer.

From this year actually (Feb 2013), Groove Pant in Black Swan with waistband made of pique and bright pink hyperstripe, 87% nylon, 13% lycra spandex, Made in China, not sheer.

Relaxed Fit pants (one in black, one in navy) from about 2 years ago, 87% nylon, 13% lycra spandex, not sheer. Made in Cambodia.

Still Pant from probably 3 years ago, 86% nylon, 14% lycra spandex. Made in Vietnam. While a looser pant, also not sheer.

My old astro crop and other WU crops in luon (from past 2-3 years ago) are also not sheer. Rip tags are gone from those.

Am a 4 in the Grooves and Relaxed Fit (and other LLL bottoms), a 2 in the Still.

Anonymous said...

I tried the luxtreme wunder under crops and although they were very compressive and opaque I thought the rise was lower than regular wunder unders and they rode down. I am really needing new black crops but am just not having any luck!